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War with Iraq

A UCSC Forum

This page is home to an online forum for members of the campus community to express their views on the war with Iraq.

If you are a member of the UCSC community and would like to contribute to this forum, please e-mail a brief personal message to pioweb@cats.ucsc.edu, and it will be posted below. Submissions may not be published if they are too long or staff judges them to be inappropriate for a university web site. Thank you.


Submissions:

Word of thanks to the military. Submitted by student Katie Mikusky (03/31/03)
From a UCSC alumnus.
Submitted by Kevin Bull, Crown College, Class of 2000 (03/27/03)
Pray for peace.
Submitted by Maggie Sorenson, Colleges and University Housing Service Center (03/20/03)
Frustrated at being a U.S. citizen
. Submitted by Heather Mietz Egli, Instructional Computing Office (03/19/03)
Peace. Submitted by Jolinda Singleton, Physical & Biological Sciences Business Office (03/19/03)
The Golden Rule.
Submitted by Daniel Young, Physical Plant (03/19/03)
Our Responsibility to Oppose Attacking Iraq.
Submitted by William G. Scott, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry (03/18/03)
The Mysterious Stranger. Submitted by Tim Goncharoff, Graduate Student Housing (03/18/03)
Standing United for Peace. Submitted by student Alex Roselle (03/18/03)
Paying for the War. Submitted by Max Wilder, Santa Cruz Institute for Particle Physics (03/18/03)
Untitled. Submitted by Patrick True, IPMTS (03/18/03)


Word of thanks to the military. Submitted by student Katie Mikusky (03/31/03)

I believe that the war in Iraq is for the betterment of the people. Everyday Saddam Hussein kills his own people. Yes, going to war will cause civilian casualities, but in the end we will rebuild Iraq to a
better state than it is now. What makes me most upset is that people protest the war non-stop, but never give thanks to the military that protects us everyday. If you are going to complain about the war, at
least at the end say a word of thanks and support to the military. They go and risk their lives so that we as Americans can have the right to complain.

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From a UCSC alumnus. Submitted by Kevin Bull, Crown College, Class of 2000 (03/27/03)

No matter what your views on President Bush's statement of upcoming war, this, from an English journalist, is very interesting. Just a word of background, for those of you who aren't familiar with the UK's Daily Mirror. This is a notoriously left-wing daily that is normally not supportive of the Colonials across the Atlantic. Well written. "Shame on You American-Hating Liberals" by Tony Parsons of the Mirror, dated September 11, 2002

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Pray for peace. Submitted by Maggie Sorenson, Colleges and University Housing Service Center (03/20/03)

Each night my husband and I pray for peace. We ask God to guide President Bush. It is not an easy decision to declare war. I am proud to be an American and proudly display our flag in front of our home. We also support our family members in the armed forces. It is not easy for them, their wives and children.

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Frustrated at being a U.S. citizen. Submitted by Heather Mietz Egli, Instructional Computing Office (03/19/03)

I am feeling very frustrated at being a U.S. citizen right now. I have always felt that each individual makes a difference, and writing letters, speaking out, protesting, etc. makes an impact. But the recent events developing in Iraq in the name of the people who died on 9/11 makes me feel demoralized and ashamed of my citizenship.

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Peace. Submitted by Jolinda Singleton, Physical & Biological Sciences Business Office (03/19/03)

"I'd like to believe that people in the long run are going to do more to promote peace than our governments. Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of their way and let them have it." - August 31, 1959 - President Dwight D. Eisenhower

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The Golden Rule. Submitted by Daniel Young, Physical Plant (03/19/03)

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." This is the Golden Rule that I was taught. I have listened to people say that if thousands of innocent civilians have to die, to get Saddam out of Iraq, that this is just the price that has to be paid. Would they still say that if they were in the middle of a bombed out city, with the stench of death inescapable, and the sight of children wandering the streets in shock, having no home or family to protect them? Would they still say that war is justified in order to liberate Iraq from the evil dictator if they had to endure the pain and suffering of having a leg blown off from a land mine, so that the evil dictator could be removed from power?

I feel the people who support the war do not know what war is, because they have not been exposed to it. They do not get a complete or realistic view of war from the media, in fact I believe they would rather not have to witness the horror of it. I was in Vietnam in 1969. I was not a combat soldier, but our base was attacked on several occasions. It wasn't pretty, and it wasn't worth it.

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Our Responsibility to Oppose Attacking Iraq. Submitted by William G. Scott, Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry (03/18/03)

The link below is a one-page essay that I wrote entitled "Our Responsibility to Oppose Attacking Iraq." http://homepage.mac.com/smorourke/mystuff/anti_war.html

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The Mysterious Stranger. Submitted by Tim Goncharoff, Graduate Student Housing (03/18/03)

"The loud little handful--as usual--will shout for the war. The pulpit will--warily and cautiously--object--at first; the great, big, dull bulk of the nation will rub its sleepy eyes and try to make out why there should be a war, and will say, earnestly and indignantly, 'It is unjust and dishonorable, and there is no necessity for it.'

"Then the handful will shout louder. A few fair men on the other side will argue and reason against the war with speech and pen, and at first will have a hearing and be applauded; but it will not last long; those others will outshout them, and presently the anti-war audiences will thin out and lose popularity.

"Before long you will see this curious thing: the speakers stoned from the platform, and free speech strangled by hordes of furious
men who in their secret hearts are still at one with those stoned speakers--as earlier--but do not dare to say so. And now the whole nation--pulpit and all--will take up the war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open his mouth; and presently such mouths will cease to open.

"Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception."

Mark Twain, "The Mysterious Stranger," 1910

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Standing United for Peace. Submitted by student Alex Roselle (03/18/03)

All students who are concerned about the impending war against Iraq are invited to join Standing United for Peace, the UCSC student voice for peace and global justice, in discussing actions in response to this immoral, illegal, and irresponsible war. We can be found on the web at http://www.antiwarnetwork.org/santacruz. Together we can create a more peaceful world.

Thank you, and I look forward to this forum becoming a valuable resource for the UCSC community to discuss the war.

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Paying for the War. Submitted by Max Wilder, Santa Cruz Institute for Particle Physics (03/18/03)

Skipping past the legal and human rights issues for a moment, consider the budgetary impact of a war in Iraq. Current estimates range from 100 billion to 2 trillion dollars, none of which is in the Federal budget.
Given the current political environment, the money will be generated by reducing spending on education and social services. It won't come from raising taxes, at least not on the very wealthy - Bush is committed to giving them a 6 billion dollar tax break. It won't come from reduced military spending.

Right now, teachers are being fired in Santa Cruz Schools because of lack of funds. Cabrillo College is cutting all temp workers in their writing center (without which it cannot function). It may reduce courses offered to the point were students will not be able to get all their prerequisites for transfer to a four year college. The University is being asked to take millions of dollars in budget cuts. If things are this bad already, how bad will it get when we have to pay for the war?

Bush is hungry for war. When he is done with Iraq, then there is North Korea, Iran, Syria, and any other country he thinks we can squash. Then there will be increased costs for "homeland security", when all the people we have bombed decide to pay us back however they can.

We can either accept Bush's agenda and all the damage than will entail, or we can fight back. I believe the the University community should not accept the devastation either of Iraq, or of our own community. We do not have to accept any of it. It is time to demonstrate, and lobby aggressively against the Bush agenda. Regime change begins at home.

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Untitled. Submitted by Patrick True, IPMTS (03/18/03)

It is with great sadness that I ask for your prayers for the innocent children--again!--who will suffer for the policies of leaders.

I cannot believe that with the sciences and knowledges that we have today, that more graceful ways cannot be found to address the complicated issues confronting our small planet today in its struggle to bring peace and respect for all members of good will of the human family.

Please work for Peace and Respect. This is a new age, let's make it a wonderful, peaceful and prosperous age for humanity.

One world--One family.

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